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Hmm, now that cartoons a great use of generalisation.....
I feel much better now that I have a way to pidgeon hole myself in my chosen profession. [:|]
Honestly Caroo, do you really think that cartoon is an accurate cross section of people in or attempting to enter the industry? Yikes.
How about drawing another guy sitting there with a confused look on his face and title it:
"Guy who looks in from the outside and thinks he knows it all"?
Malus:
Generalisation. NEVER!!!! XD.. The cartoon isn?t actually that at all mate.. I said it was based of people i KNOW of.. not people TYPES... every artist is different and has there advantages and faults. i'll put up my hand and admit i have alot of those faults as well mate. Some i need to ween out before i go into the industry O.o or I?ll quickly be booted out.
it is a naive stab at humour...but if you meet the 5 people i have meet in the wannabe section, you'd chuckle with me.. and since you haven?t i understand why your pissed off about it.
again...there people. not people TYPES.
HazarD:
what the measure of a game artist... I honestly can't tell you.. because A) im not one of as of yet.. just a pup.
B) No one i know of has ever told me.. Most wannabes like me are kept in the dark.. Where told how to present and compile folios. but as of yet.. no one has said to me "this kind of personally and mindset is what we the managers look for in a game artist" if you can tell me that.. Awesome.. I?ll stop drawing silly cartoons like this (which was born out a convo from another wannabe game artist that I respect.. I respect more artists then i dislike? basically.. I don?t care if your drawing skills are low.. As long as you give it a go) and focus on what really is more important.
what is a measure of a good games artist.. haven?t got the sliest clue.. i do however, know 5 annoying people that wont make it past there school exams if they don?t get over themselves.
and why did i put myself in the potensal section.. because I?m willing to change my point of view and mindset for the sake of better correction... the 5 below hold there hands to there ears when ever you tell them otherwise.
Well its a little hard to look over your post again to see if I misread it since you deleted it. [:(]
I can't remember reading the bit about the comment being aimed at just people you know, it just read as an attack on people who want to get in the industry or are there already.
From memory the post just sounded like another rant at how people in the industry don't help you get a job and honestly that just sort of attitude just shits me, I can't for the life of me understand why so many people think they are entitled to help by those who got there through their own blood, sweat and tears.
I had to also chuckle that on your website you have written:
Art Chris hates: Renaissance art, modern art, tagging.
Well I agree with the tagging part, thats just lazy graffiti for the unskilled but both modern and renaissance art are kind of important Caroo, especially the later, without guys like Da Vinci, Botticelli, Michelangelo and Caravaggio we would probably not have the artistic freedom or techniques to even do your beloved furry anime.
I just think before you go bagging anyone publicly, even if you only meant "people you know" you might want to check your own work and attitude first, that way gits like myself won't get there backs up when we think your attacking people who have tried or are trying to do there best.
quote:Most wannabes like me are kept in the dark..
No ones keeping you in the dark, there isn't a secret society of "we hate new guys" you just aren't asking the right questions to the right people, or maybe you aren't doing what the rest of us did, trial and error, networking, cold calling companies, writing letters, posting your work on forums like this one etc.
Believe me, we all realise its hard work trying to understand what companies are looking for, I myself still don't know exactly what it was that got me a job. [:P]
In the end its going to be different for each employer but obvious things stand out, great skills in your chosen field, great attitude and a great ability to 'self manage'.
If you really are interested in knowing what you need to get into the industry then reply to this post or start a new thread with a list of questions.
It can't hurt and I'm sure guys in the industry like Hazard and JI Style and myself would answer them as best as we know how.
I know the rest of my post seems rather agressive but its just a pet peeve with me, I respect those who help themselves or actively seek help free of attitude, but I get like a bear with a sore head when I hear the "why not me's", and the "I'm better than these guy's" etc.
It is quite possible I misread you, and if I did I apologise but in future you may want to try wording your posts better if you don't want negative replies.
Both Hazard and I misconstrued it so it couldn't have been that easy to follow.
Souri:
^^thanks for the support.. but both Malus and HazarD have a point.. it was what you call an "inside joke" and i guess the Sumea lunrchpad isnt the best plase to putz it... however.. i'll mail it to you..
More so.. if anyone else want a look at it.. i'll mail it to you guys as well... sorry if it offended some people.. but i dont take my own work that seriously XP
Malus: true points...
mainly with the hate of ressionse art and modern art... yet again its something not to be taken seriously.. my hate of that comes from my school studio art teacher.. who basicly said and i remember coz i wrote this down. "furry art is fetish art... Anime is lazy and (oh this is good) Video game artists are the comman slob of all artistic effit..." MERRRRRRRR!!!
I may not be working for someone. But god knows just now hard meshing and texturing can be.... and this comming form a woman who had 4 different bilbes on her desk... ok.. i'll stop there im deverting form the point. XP I acculy have a art book called "the art of ardian smith" which.. it realistic art that is used for the warhammer illos..good book i advice people to take a spiz at it.. and as for my (cough) website... i need to edit the about me secion... as for modern art.. im sorry but ive been to camberra and i dont see know painting NOTHING on a canvis and getting $20,000 for it is considered art (which was a pease when i went there on display)My hate for modern art runs pritty deep. but i guess we have art likes and dislikes.. i dont critasise people who hate furry art.. as there alot of good reasons to.. but it isnt worth talking about in this forem.
I will make a list and post it in a few days.. lets see if there good questions..
and i can understand your pet hate to as i have one myself.. artists..no people in general who have the attatude of. "i'm gonna do hardly anything and everything will come to me and be easy (PUNCH)"
I dont come from a well off family.. but i do come from a father whos worked all his like for me and my siblings and i beleave in the consept of hard working. If you have advise to give. thats awesome... god i hope to meet or work with you oldies (had to do it) in the future.
for example.. currently im devoting my free time to doing free consept art for this MMORPG being devoloped.. http://www.evilgamers.net/apalia/index.htm hoping its an extra foothold into getting into the industry..
anyway.. yeah i more then probably did miscontrued the point of was trying to get across with the comic.. it was supposed to be a bit of fun and not to b etaken seriously.. but these things happen.
Can I be the guy who yells "Porn! Porn! Porn! Porn!"
:P