Artists

http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/1.jpg

Dan, the simplest answer is to do what works best for you.
Creating an air tight mesh isn't necessary.. If I have faces that'll never get seen on a mesh, I'll get rid of them.
Eye balls - yup, thats a good way of doing it, its good to create the eye socket though.
In the above mesh, I often work with many seperate elements.. Everthing on the left arm are seperate elements, each strap, the boxes on the belt, the head armour, the thigh pads.... Most of it are seperate elements.

Its good to cap these, as they help add weight to the mesh.. But things like the leg straps I used on my model, you can get away without capping. The tubes also, the cap at the end was deleted..

I think I've jabbered on a bit at the end here.. If you need anything explained further, post it up.

Cool thanks for the speedy reply .. i kinda thought that was the case but its good to get some feedback :)

the Sorcerer Bobmeisters right, alot of games nowdays dont have contigious meshes.
Unreal tournement 2003 is full of chopped up mesh elements, it all depends on the engine really.

Dean Ferguson - 3D/2D Artist

http://www.inkmancomic.com/dean/Portfolio/index.html

yup, the only bad thing about all those seperate elements is unwrapping.... ohh the humanity!!

Ack yeah UV wrapping is bad mojo .. as is rigging both of which i am yet to master

the way to get around the separate elements UV problem is to attach them all then unwrap it, then detach them

I must be wierd because i really love uv mapping and rigging :|...honestly, put on some chilling tunes and just go.
Never had problems with uv mapping and seperate elements.

"the way to get around the separate elements UV problem is to attach them all then unwrap it, then detach them"

If all the parts are going to part of one model why would you attach them then detach them? Why not just leave them attached? Unless you where making a model that you wanted the different parts to animate around their individual pivot points. But for spikes n a backpack etc.

Pantmonger

the zen of uv wrapping

first make sure you make a multi sub object then name and colour all the elements before you even begin to uvw map.
then you wont get stray polys when you unwrap

nannoo nannoo

Thats one way, I myself just select the faces, give them an id number and uvw map them ,then I hide them after and go to the next area, same sort of outcome different journey. :P

I havent worked out how to get the map as neat as you guys do it yet .. mine seem to come out alot more complicated then everyone elses that i have seen.

Ive got a few things i will try out on this challenge model that i havent done before hopefully they will work.

pants when you for instance goto texport a character and his eyeballs are a separate mesh but you want the all on one texture.
its easier to attach it and have all the mesh's UV on the one unwrap for texporting or equivalent
but hey i could be wrong :)

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

StrkEagle: unless the models for an fmv isn't it going to need to be one mesh, don't know of any game models that have seperated meshes, may be wrong there though.
If it is for an fmv why have it all on one map?

eyes were just an example
lok at mechwarrior, gran turismo etc, separate meshes, possibly single tex (correct me if i'm wrong)
look at gta3, max payne or half-life for example if you want to make in-game movies

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

are they seperate meshes or just seperate elements of one mesh?
Yeah I know how to make in game fmv's.

well in mechwarrior, bits can get blown off so they'd be separate

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

I think the code can just seperate pieces of mesh, sort of like Unreal tournement 2003, which is a contigious mesh but when blown up it cuts the mesh up through code.

From what I remember the Mechwarrior 2 models were actually several different models joined together. I saw it in a viewer program that went into the packed files of theirs. They had a seperate model for the torso, each leg and arm, and one for the head (which really was just a glass panel of sorts).

But still, generally I'd say it doesn't matter how the models are created as long as there are no T-Junctions, and when rendered to the screen there are no visible holes. With the eyes example I wouldn't mind (being a programmer) having the eye sockets modelled, but if you could never poke out an eye then you wouldn't really need it.

i dont do much lowpoly game modelling so im speaking from mainly higpoly experience.
but what i model isn't "air-tight", a characters body might well be- but a lot of the stuff i then build off them- for example straps around arms - i build them off the characters arm polys- so they dont have backfaces. basically- if you cant see it- dont bother.

but if you do make something that is "air-tight" and it passes an stl check i believe you can take it and get it moulded into a physical model. might cost a fair bit of mola - but would be cool :)

i dunno, but does auran have sumthing like that for their trains game?, maybe not. might b worth a look.... i think i might have heard about a game in the making where you can design your own tracks....i dont know....im sure you are able to edit most tracks in the current games, which isnt what you are asking.

make your own tracks, yes......

export to max, not so sure

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

and some tattoo reference here:
http://www.planetquake.com/shattered/shine/images/ref/tattoo/page_01.htm

lachlan inglis
Showreel WIP: http://effectism.com/sample/

to use as textures or just for reference of shape/colour etc?

Dean Ferguson - 3D/2D Artist

http://www.inkmancomic.com/dean/portfolio/index.html

a bit from column a and a bit from column b :)

lachlan inglis
Showreel WIP: http://effectism.com/sample/

http://www.bartleby.com/107/ not sure if this helps but down the bottom of the page is links to surface anatomy, unfortunately its b/w ?! more useful for anatomical studies.

Dean Ferguson - 3D/2D Artist

http://www.inkmancomic.com/dean/portfolio/index.html

So yeh, I'm curious as to what your workflow is when you skin.. what do you use?

When I shin I use Adobie PhotoShop and thats it, I just update a lot to make sure I am putting thing is the right positions, (I draw guides for things like biceps etc, make sur they are in the right pos and texture away)

Pantmonger

hi,

I was wondering how you get deep paint, costs and stuff cos i'm getting into modelling and skinning and one of the most annying problems i have right know is previewing my model so i can look for seams etc.

thanks
animal

You can get deep exploration here http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/index.htm - which is pretty useful for checking out seams.. ... You mentioned Deep Paint 3D, costs and details over at http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dp3d/ .. it's also a bit overkill for checking out seems. [:)]

yeah your right i did mean deep exploration, i was just wondering about cost etc, i looked at the site and you can get the demo. Do you know its limits (ie no savingexporting or if it's only a 30 day trial only) cos i wont get the demo if it's just a waste of time.

unless that it you bought it and have no idea about that stuff.

thanks souri
animal

Nah, I didn't buy it.. Deep Exploration costs $249 (US).. you can do the conversion back to NZ dollars.. [:)] I think it was around $499. The demo is fully functional for 30 days, and I think once the trial runs out, you can't do batch conversions (or any conversions for that matter).. Hopefully it'll still be handy as a model viewer..

Excellant, excellant link.. everyone should check their monitor's with that page. Mine turned out fine. [:)].. I've chucked it up on the 2d artists section as a link..

cool cool, i was surprised my monitor checked out ok, just needs a lil tweakin when i get the time. Time...if only there were more hours in a day, if only there were more days in a week , if only there were more weeks in a year , if only there were more years in a lifetime! i think i will make that my new sumea signature [:D]

i dont know about the use of were tho, were seems a little negative, i dunno im prolly too tired , maybe instead of "were" "if only there was" or "would be" naa cant be would be....yup tired must be me ..

erg, no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get the two blacks to display properly... erg...

nothing worked - coiuld be my shitty video card?

I also had issues with the two blacks, maybe its some sort of joke to frustrate computer users, *Looks around* what if they are watching us...right now.
*runs*

i luv the translation from german to english, is umm very helpfull...

For particularly courageous ones: Try the black point to find and hold!

im not sure what that one does , except to make me see the illusion of sum of those white dots to look black hehehe .... its the last image on the page

I got my 19" monitor for real cheap a few years ago, and I'm kinda surprised that it shows all the colours/seperations very well.. I'm well chuffed. [:)]

mine looks crap,
maybe its burnout?

nannoo nannoo

Dear sir,

My 21" beast is great(monitor, get your minds out of the gutter), colours, definition etc are perfect but when I see my work on lesser monitors it looks nasty, its a sony trinitron which Ive set up correctly, Do I have to buy alot of people expensive monitors so that I will look good or am I doomed to the continous "it s too dark" comment?

Sincerely,
Guy with no room on desk :P

Couldn't you load them with Photoshop?

I think I tried a bit of a while ago, and PS couldn't open it. It's an IFF animation file.. Not sure where PS would put all those frames [:)].. They could put them into layers, but I doubt they'd bother extending IFF support.

you could try www.3dtotal.com they have some awsome tutes in their...tute section[:p]

Excellant.. tah..
On another note, I haven't textured a model in years (the old way of texturing models was a MAJOR turn off for me..) I just had a look at UV unwrap, and all I have to say is... you young people are darn lucky.. [:)] In the old days, we had to travel 5 miles to the nearest............

souri, thet pic doesnt show from that link, there are so many pics on that forum that are incredable, especially that 2d elf girl that was posted yesterday, but hey if you go there now there are loads of new pics that have been given 5 stars

sorry that link does work , the server was buzy, and what do you know.... it was the pic i was thinkin of too [:D]

Absolutely awsome :)

"when it comes to angry killing machines, nothing beats the Lord Jesus!"

I think the reflected light on her elbow from her leg below is a bit too bright..... I wouldn't mind a poster of this to hang on my wall though! [:)] The light streaks from the butterflies is a simple but really effective idea... and it's obvious that Steven Stahlberg is an expert on anatomy..

oh yeah, mr Stahlberg, what a legend [:)]

wow really cool pic, LOVE the cute little red nose[:)]
but ummm steven stahlberg...i mean c'mon how phony does that name sound:
Scary movie fan: i hate your movies speilberg! EP 1 sucked!!!
Steven: ummm you have the wrong guy...i'm....Steven....Stah..l..berg..yes that will do, that will do nicely[8D]
Scary movie fan: oh....[?]

wooo I dont know?? looks cool but its a bit phalic with that drule driping into her lap don u think?? "oww mr beasty your so gugly and stong "she saying.. "but your breth stinks u need a fariy breath mint befor u can kiss me ...he he

is a cool pic just having some fun

adie i don't know man.....Phalic? mmmmm now that you mention it.... OH GOOD GOD IT IS!

THE PICTURE'S EVEN BETTER NOW [:D][:D] YEAY!
LOL

such a cool pic[8D]

steven stahlberg is a real person, it might not be his real name (who cares) but he has done evr soo much for the global 3d community, not to mention he is a brilliant 3d/2d artist... who has helped produce books for us all!. phalic is the wrong word for what your are describing, but it is very sexually sugestive (dominant/submissive) image as are a lot of his works
and yeah souri, just like them feet are disapearing into (maybe feathers or sumthink that they can disapear into ;) ) the lighting on the elbow looks really strange as there is no light source in the scene to give off the light that the elbow receives ... altho it looks like candle glow ... and perhaps there is a candle betwwen her legs....guess you would have to ask steven stahlberg about this.... maybe sum ppl should look up phalic in the umm Dictionary.... teehee :) ( dont go saying that if there was is a candle between her legs then that could be phalic) as i will laugh my ass of for every post you send ( hope that that comment is not too harsh) hehe .... peace to you all.... but there is nuthin that resembles a penis in this scene [;)]

phal?lic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (flk)
adj.
Of, relating to, or resembling a phallus.(The penis.)

Don't know dude but that long wrinkly neck drooling on her looks pretty phallic to me lol.
By the way it just has to resemble it not mimic it to be phallic, a banana is and I don't know any one with a yellow schlong. :P

Oh yeah excellent image, hes pretty talented, maybe the image is cropped and the light on the elbow is coming from a source we can't see? Is that a tyre in the lefthand bottom corner?

i think the light on her elbow is from her fanny(like E.T's finger)....This is what hapens to fairys when they get excited!! you might say "Hey how come I'v never seen it before" well its just very rair only hapens every thousand years or so ,whitch isnt very long for a fairy because they live for millions of years .. he he put that in ya penis pipe and smoke it Beatsta and chill

if you really think about it, which for many is no thought all, the difference im thousands and millions is not as great as how you are trying to express the difference........... i dont have a penis pipe ( i dont have a pipe at all fuckwit) and to what your lame analogy is saying... i dont put anything in a pipe as i can afford to put it in a very thin piece of paper and inhale and relax. dont be a moron, moron. youre only excuse is your age! and in our lifetime and current time...that is no excuse! dont respond...as you know you have nuthin intelligible to say , instead make it easy on yourself and learn the simple lesson that has been given to you. if ya need to vent, fine..... i wont partake. if ya dont understand the lesson then i will explain...why? because your art is ok...... and that is all i can have respect for you for! think about it and then go
" oh fuck !"
dont dirty my purity!!!!! and dont dirty the forum of sum1 that created the beauty of this forum/webpage and dont ever dis respect the artists that are a million light years ahead of you. ie: steven stahlberg..............

here is me showing off.... adie..... and others...... i was given 1 dollar for every minute of my creativity and expression that i gave on the 4-3-03 and many other dates.... and that has taken 10 years of my dedication and development as an artist to recieve ( that is not the only time i have been rewared in that manner and in real time it took 5 years for me to recieve any reward) and for the last 5 years i have recieved and have been given comparatable rewards for what i do..... at least every week I perform and entertain in a very subtle and powerful manner as the concentration and entertainment/feeling is aural and that is very powerfull but also very frustrating if ppl arent educated... as they feel without understanding of what is making them feel. sum of what i said might be sumthink to think about and sumthink for you to try and relate to your 3d/2d art ............and depending on what you want to do with it, which i would imagine is not to just to make money, but to express........

sorry besta I was just stuffing around!! didnt mean to piss u off so mutch... you have put up some realy cool posts here and i thank u for it.

wow, his stuff is really good.....i wnna be able to model like that[:(] *snif*

[8)]

I have a wacom graphire 2, 4 x 6 i think.... anyway it was $182 from graphics plus in brisbane. bargain!!!!!

I have an Acecad Flair 5" x 3.75" which cost around the $100 mark from Dick Smith a coupla years ago. I had (still have it, actually) an A3 tablet (forget the brand) which is essentially for CAD stuff (giving a hint at it's age) which I picked up from Harvey Norman for... hmm... under $100 anyway. No pressure sensitivity and a corded pen, but it rocked my world nevertheless. I'd still be using it, but my most recent mobo didn't support it so the Acecad had to be bought.

I didn't know the joy of a Wacom until I hit QANTM, and I plan to upgrade to one after I get my own computer. The Acecad does the job well, and I probably wouldn't switch if I knew better. @:-) In fact, it'll be a fair while down the road until I upgrade...

I doubt tablets will come down in price anytime in the near future, as even though they gain popularity, they won't really become heavy mainstream like scanners. There's no "LETS SCAN PICTURES AND SEND THEM TO EVERYONE LOL!!!!!!" factor with tablets. @;-)

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

I have the worlds cheapest little thing, the MG Logic e pad, its bad, very bad, but it was all I could afford at the time I think it was around $60 or so for its 15cm by 12cm non glory, but it has served me well, I find I can get by using a combination of it and my mouse. But I would not recommend it to anyone. Someday when I have money a new tablet will be mine, oh yes it will be mine.

Pantmonger

i have a Wacom Graphire 2 which is 5"x4" which was $230 when i got it a year and a half ago

Peter Gillespie
http://www.3dluvr.com/eagor/

I have used a wacom penpal i think, i cant remember the name it was, the size was 4" x 5" and unfortunately i had to give it back to the lender who never useses it anywayz and isnt even plugged into a machine,,,,,sigh...

u can get an intuos2, which is the latest range of wacoms, at the size of 4x5, which is great to use and is about the size of the average mose pad for $440 aud. i would like to get the size above this which is 6" x 8" and is $682 aud and come in two different colours..woohoo. I dont think i wld have enuff desk space for the 6x8 so i will prolly get the 4 x 5.

Here is the link to the only Australian distriutor for the wacoms, which are the best, and my advice to anyone, when buying anything that has a specialist market is to look for a distributor first so that you can get a cheaper price over the retail outlet :)

http://www.videobytes.com.au/products/intuos2.asp

why get an intuos2? and not an older model? well............. i guess check the specs

here is the link for wacom and our area,which is asia/pacific
http://ap.wacom.co.jp/products/products_index.html

oh yeah, the reason that sum tablets are better then others is generally based upon the pen that they come with... WACOMS are the best, there is no argument...but whether one wacom is better then another is going to depend on what sort of pen you want and what the pen can do for you :) hope that helps

and for buying from distributors, you can save yourself hundreds of dollars...an example is that i go thru styli for my installation cartridges for turntables every six -12 months, my catridges i got for 460 from a distributor, from a retailer they are 560 -600 to replace my styli i get 2 for 110 dollars from the distributor from reatail im lookin at 90-100 for 1.

Dont get ripped off, and ask if they have a cash price...that usally knocks a bit off the price as well .. if ppl are selling a specialist product that there is not a huge demand for, then they might knock off 20 - 50 bucks to have the cash in hand and not have to wait for th cheque or cc or whatever [:)]

i was just checkin out the graphire series from wacom WACOM Graphire2 RRP Inc. GST: $182
Actual tablet size 8.2" x 8.4" x 0.4"
(225mm x 210mm x 7.5mm)
(Approximately mouse pad size)
Active working area 4" x 5"
(128mm x 96mm)
Pen accuracy 0.5mm
Pen reading height 5mm
Pressure levels 512
Report Rate 205 pps (Points per second)
Resolution 1,015 LPI (Lines per inch)
Warranty One year
Weight 400 grams

that looks pretty good for the price, i havnt checked the specs tho and compared it to an intuos2

altho if you look at the specs the actual workin size wld be the same as a 4x5 intuos2, but the graphire2 will take up 8inch x 8 inch on yr desk instead of the 4x5 wich has about the same workin area

brain, you must have been lucky, there were no tablets when i was at quantm :( or maybe there was 1, that we never got see, it was prolly in the multimedia class where they had the the better pooters......

None? I know when I left there they were pretty tight on their use due to theft of them (and MAX dongles) which is sad.

Something I just remembered though... QANTM were buying Wacoms at one stage, and went around asking if anyone was interested in buying one, as the more you buy the cheaper they are. Any current students might want to ask about this, and any ex students may want to ask as well. The least they can do is get a discount on a tablet for ya.

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

sweet, i just bought a 4x5 Wacom Pen Partner for 40aud, I just have to get a new nib for it [:)] hopefully i can get a new nib on tuesday, which is prolly unlikely being brisvegas and all....guess i will find out.

Nice site update, Souri [:)]

wow, i was just looking for resellers of wacom products in brisbane and saw the intuos 2 airbrush, How nice wld that Be!! heres the link

http://ap.wacom.co.jp/products/intuos/option/intuos_option1.html

it even comes in different colours

I have a Wacom Intuos 10 inch x 10 inch ubertablet, set me back $800 5 yrs ago from Story bridge designs, not sure if they still exist.

This may be a stupid question but where in Brisbane can I get a wacom
PAntmonger

Story Bridge Carindale (07) 3420 3539
Graphics Plus Milton (07) 3367 1944
Choice Connections New Farm (07) 3832 9799

these are the places in brisbane i have called today to try and get nibs from, I hvnt gotten thru to storybridge tho, only the aswering machine. They are the wacom resellers also.

Thansk for that, Ill check them out in a few days, I got a birthday comming up and I got an eye for a new tablet, whee.

Pantmonger

Dont drive out to Story Bridge tho, i did that the sarvo as i couldnt get them on the phone and thinkin they were a retail outlet, but umm know, its a private residence. Doh. guess i will have to wait 4 days to get my nibs. its only 17 dollars for a pack of three, you would think sum1 would have them in stock. Maybe story bridge will call me back and i will be in luck.

When i rang Graphics plus they said to call and get the distributor to ship the nibs and i wld get them cheaper, stuff that tho as they are cheap enuff.
Pantmonger maybe you should just get the distriutor to ship you a tablet.

heres the web address again :)

http://www.videobytes.com.au/

Thanks again , though driving out there would for me be a bit funny.
"Whats that guy doing?"

"It looks like he is pretending he is driving a car"

"I can see that, but I want to know is how he is faking the 100kph bit."

Ill look into the alternate option, thanks

Pantmonger

http://www.videobytes.com.au/wheretobuy.asp

If you call them, they well tell you the latest price.

I have a Wacom intuos 12X12 cost me about $700 about 3 years ago.... its my best buddy oh i got a airbrush for it ..is sweet for deeppaint :) ..has anyone used those pro wacoms with the metal pens oww they look nice

Ive got a graphics tablet here at work, but for what im doin, its alot faster just to use the mouse.

On the other hand, the good thing about a tablet is that, provided u have 'painter', it can simulate natural medium really well. But i have not used it for the last 2 years.

I think a tablet is only good if u have specific needs, like in the instance of painting on the pc, but other than that, your better off with the good old cheapie mouse.

Wacom Intuos 2 - 6 X 8 ". $700 NZ.

Some of the best $700 I ever spent.

For creating textures and concepts you can't go past a tablet. There are some amazing artists out there who only use a mouse though. Freaks lol.

Adie: How do you fit that 12 x 12 beast on your lap!? Mines a 10 x 10 and I think thats overkill. (that sentence has so much room for ridicule)

I use an Intuitos2 at work. 12x10 I think?? They totally rock. I was initially pretty sceptical of them, but as soon as I started using one I was hooked.

I have a Intuos 2 9 x 12... Got it from DigiWorld Melbourne (i think) about 2 years ago. Pretty pricy for a student but it was money well spent.

I got an intuos2 6x8 today for $619 AU.
I don't like it at the moment...its annoying the hell outta me. Everything works better with just a trackball mouse. It is seriously just for drawing...otherwise an expensive piece of crap.

Tablet is just so much faster than a mouse..

How many mice have pressure sensitivity..

Still they aren't for everyone

*has a graphire 2*

You become so dependent on it, I lost mine 6 months ago and it took me a month to stop grabbing at the phatom pen everytime I CGed something.

I need a new one

*sigh*

Pantmonger

Yeah :)

It's even worse going from a wacom to a scetch pad.

Every time i fucked up i went to hit ctrl+z

I probably need help

I've just bought myself a Graphire 2 for $149, and the minute I plugged it in and open up photoshop this morning, I was hooked. Its so much easier than a mouse! Now I'm wishing I had bought one ages ago! (Remembers hours of skinning frustration)

If anyone is interested, http://www.softwareshop.com.au is where I got it from. They are a Canberra based shop but have free shipping Australia wide. Currently their June special is on all Wacoms, so if anyone is looking at getting one, visit their site and check it out, some good prices to be found!

i got my graphire 2 from the software shop, canberra too, but when i got mine it wasin early 2001 @ $230.... bastards !

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

How much are the intuos2 grip pen nibs? Say in packs of 5.
They wear out like cheese...

Challenge #2 has not been outlined yet.
So that is certainly possible. Leave it up to discussion.

lachlan inglis
Showreel WIP: http://effectism.com/sample/

I guess that would come down to how the creators feel about giving out their models.
It might be worth modelling/texturing your own character and then rigging/animation and just making it an extended challenge. Or make rigging/animation of your own character another part of the challenge, like the 2D assignment is with the current one.

lachlan inglis
Showreel WIP: http://effectism.com/sample/

Yeh that was just a suggestion, maybe the challenge could be to show a jump, attack, run and walk or something.... yes i think it would probably be better to make ur own model for animation seeing as you will know how u want it to deform.

quote:Originally posted by Idaho

Perhaps the best 5 models from the modelling challenge can be donated and available for download for animation? this would allow a choice for the animators.

I know im interested are you?

That sounds pretty cool!

I suggest the walk, run, jump, and attack, because the is a game dev focused site. But instead of this we could animate something more challenging like , 1) the character has 5 enemys after him in a maze of (invisible) corridors and he has to sneak out all covert.

anyone else got some ideas just post em up!

http://www.lukedwyerdesign.cjb.net

model obtained - cheers/

Brad Beddoes
Programmer / Biz Dev
Tycom Studios
http://www.tycomstudios.com

here, do this guy if you want:

[img]http://effectism.com/sumea/beatsta.jpg[/img]

polycount: 3000

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

if you go with it-it'd be good if you started a thread in the wip forum to document your progress.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

Hey, he would be an awesome character to model!! We should put him up as a fun project to do - we've discussed earlier in another thread on doing some fun things for people to do. Would be great to see how different other people approach the same model. How about it!!?

i was doing to suggest that last week in the sumea suggestions forum[:)]

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

make it like the cgtalk challenges...where you give the stimulus and everyone who enters has to start a work in progress thread in the forum.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

Sounds like a great idea to me.. I'll post it on the front page.. Hope to see some really cool models/textures happening as a result! (and some learning/constructive critique happening)

SUMEA CHALLENGE!!!

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

it all sounds wicked :)

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

we've made it into a Sumea Challenge :)

http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=269

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

Inglis, is that your original work?

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

read the Sticky note.
its by concept artist FengZhu.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

quote:souri.. how can we post works in progress?

You use image tages in your message posts.. When you reply to a message, there's a set of icons - click the insert image one.. it basically spits out the image tage code, which is.. (replace <> characters with []> ... put your image's web address inbetween.

i have a few otha concepts by him on my hdd...do we have permission to use them?

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

oh yeah, i hope sum other ppls join me on makin this model in their fav packge.. its good for us all!

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

I think it's pretty safe as long as we're not making money or anything like that from his creation, and that we give him credit for the original concept... to be on the safe side, I'll email him and let him know..

I guess that would be best, just to be on the safe side.
But it shouldn't be a problem, hundreds of people visit his site and create works based on his concept art.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

cool, coz i have a few of his concepts, and i havnt used any of em, for anything, is sorta why i started this thread...for sum ORIGINAL concepts... i think a very hard thing is to come buy ppl who can do such original concept drawings, if you can, there is a job waiting for you :) I would thik

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

You can do that in the forum - it's actually encouraged for the 'work in progress' and exhibition sections of the forum. ... If you want to upload images onto the site, you will have to be a Sumea member though.. or you can post your images linked from your personal website..

i think he means attaching the image to the actual post and not uploading it to your sumea(home) account and linking it in the forum.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

You can show the image in a forum message by using the image tags.. where the image comes from (sumea account upload, or your own personal website) is up to you..

can i just email you souri, and you let me know how it all works? or just let me know here... i looked at the faq, but cldnt get much info... anywayz im goona get sum sleep, or at least try to :)

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

type in http://www.yourwebsite.com/yourpicture.jpg and that should be it.. ***note, replace all the < characters with [.. and > with ]..

ok, i will try that when the time comes, im using geocities, and i know the last time i posted the page on an irc channel the bandwidth was exceded very quickly. will this be a problem?

keep on doin, what you been doin!
And one day, you will be free!

great set of tools...
never heard of these ones, just MeshTools.
thanks for the post.

mesh tools are for max, arent they? or is there script for maya?

they're max.
but a lot *if not all* has bit put into release 5, they were meant to be in max4 but they weren't completed when it went to release

im still trying to down max 5, might wait for 5.1 tho. i find maya much faster for me tho. I got into max at maybe release 2 and maya at version 1. I used 3d studio 4 prolly in the early nineties at QCA tho, i dnt think for much tho except to drool ova the materials in the material editor, teehee. and maybe evel some text and basic anims

i started doing 3d on max4 then 5 came out a couple months later...
ive used maya/softimage and lightwave as well, knowing maya the most out of those 3- but have seemed to stayed with max even though

I'm still riding max 3.1, started with 3, and the only other package I've used is Milkshape, which is a great modeler in it's own right.

beatsta: When and which course didja do at QCA?

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

quote:Originally posted by inglis

i started doing 3d on max4 then 5 came out a couple months later...
ive used maya/softimage and lightwave as well, knowing maya the most out of those 3- but have seemed to stayed with max even though

Just curious as to why you stuck with Max if you're faster and know more stuff with Maya? :)

because my course was in max so i was using it everyday. if i was to model a character with nurbs i would use maya, i also like its polygon tools- but now max5 has a good set of polytools itself.
i said i know maya the most out of maya/xsi/lightwave.
i could model quite fast in maya- but my overall knowledge of the program wasn't that deep- ill get back into maya later- but for now im still faster in max and i dont want to spend the time i have to create a demoreel learning areas of a program i know how to do in another.

i have done these courses so far (brain)
Tertiary
2001:
Diploma of Information Technology (Software Development) Gaming, QANTM.

1996:
Certificate IV in Multimedia, Queensland College of Art
1994:
Certificate in Arts (Visual Art and Design), Mount Gravatt College of TAFE

I did't finish the game dev course at qantm, payed my 3000 bucks for the first semester and came back for a month for the second but got sick or rocking up to find that there was no lecturer or no class after spending an hour travelling to get there. ;)

was that the class that walked out and got a refund for their course?

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

2001, eh? Same intake as me, I figure. Can understand why ya didn't come back. There a chance I know you? *curious look*

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

i wasn't in the course-
i just heard about it from someone who was one of the many who left.

: lachlan inglis
http://effectism.com/sample/

My elvens ears are looking like spock. MOOHAHAHAHAH :) I probably will have to reconstruct em lol I hate ears :P

quote:Originally posted by beatsta

hi ppls, this is prolly the best 3d poly modelling tute for characters, i know of. Its by Michel Roger who is french as you can see... but you only need to look at the pics otherwise use an online translator ( i know there is a translated version around but i forget the link)
http://mr2k.3dvf.com/tutorials/max/tutorials_joan.htm is the link to mr rogers' tute.
I have followed it several times using maya and connect poly shape script, which is free from highend3d.com and i believe kicks it over max and meshsmooth altho i luv max as well.
Also check out cgtalk.com they have a game art design forum there and there is heaps of amazing models with wireframe views so u can study the edgeloops there.
go get the info and share it round here so we can all develop :)
I have only come accross sumea.com a few weeks ago and its fantastic :) glad i have found this place :)
there are some very talented artists here....
hope it all helps.

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

You can find an English version here:

http://www.3dtotal.com/ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.asp

[:I]

I babelfished all the pages of French Joan of Arc tutorial about 6 months ago (http://www.sumea.com.au/snews.asp?news=118&related=Modeller) - this was before I found out that there was an english version. [:)].. but yeh, I agree, it's definately a great tutorial. That page happens to have had the most number of hits compared to all the other news posts..

have you done michel rogers' ear tute? hears anotha ear tute http://www.secondreality.ch/tutorials/modelling/ear.html

I'm actually thinking of designing a really weird ear on the character now, I mean the spock ears are done a bit to much so I'm drawing up designs for a weird but interesting ear style :) wish me luck I'll need it :P~

quote:Originally posted by beatsta

have you done michel rogers' ear tute? hears anotha ear tute http://www.secondreality.ch/tutorials/modelling/ear.html

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

ahhh yes the joan of arc tute....very cool stuff,
though i agee ears are stupid, i mean why do they have to have all those little bumps, rings etc.. if they just looked like say....a square! then all my problems would be over, better still if humans looked like teapots then my character modelling in 3dsmax whould improve 100% MWAA HA HA HA HA I COULD RULE THE WORLD, I WOULD BE THE KING OF ALL TEAPOTS!!!![:0][:0][:0][:p]

the ear contains all the shapes of the body master the ear and master the body..handy masters hint

lol, this is a good tut but when I was at qantm nearly everyone did it as a final piece. Sick of the site of it now. Excellent to learn on though.
Beasta: thanks for the highend3d.com link, I've been trying out maya lately, god damn clunky work flow compared to max, hate having to go thru a million menus just to press extrude. :P

Off topic anyone know what the maya version of max's target weld is?? Its a big oversight if there isn't one.

Dean Ferguson - 3D/2D Artist

http://www.inkmancomic.com/dean/portfolio/index.html

Deleted my posts as its not helping anyone on here listening to this ridiculous argument, and I'm really very over it.

Good luck at THQ btw Beasta.

Dean Ferguson - 3D/2D Artist

http://www.inkmancomic.com/dean/portfolio/index.html

good call. was starting to become cringe material.
has any1 applied for the positions at thq? or heard anything?i will post a cd either today or tuesday. just got a new burner and am very happy that it burns 700mb in 2 minutes and 37 seconds, even on a p2 233.hehe. (the guy at the shop said it wld only do 16 speed on my system and it does 40 [:)] ) glad i didnt listen to him.

such wierd wether in brisbane..afta that fantastic rain, saturday was just way too hot and now there is deffineatly a nip of coldness in the air in the early,early mornings.. or late, late night...whichever you choose...guess it is autumn...

im using 3dsmax.
gi is only being used in that last environment. its just a basic setup using max5s new gi system.
that scene is just for my showreel that im working on at the moment, thats the purpose of that page- to show what im currently working on for the reel.

thanks for the feedback :)

ahh ok.. it lights up the scene pretty nice.. the detail and style in that scene is incredible - how did you get rope to wrap around objects like that? [:)]

I wish they had global illumination in max4! I can't fake gi :) My max5 doesn't work I got to use it for ten days but after that I couldn't even dream of dishing out that sort of money for something that's gonna be updated again :(

[}:)][:X] Moo kiss *grin* Souri you're a legend making these icons [:D] I love mixing drinks that were just not meant to be mixed together I just made a hotchocolate with icemagic choc mint and bubblegum flavour squirted in..the COOLEST part is that now all these round bubbly gunk pieces are floating on top so it looks like something deadly that only icky evil people serve[:D] like me [8)]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

I like the little war posts where you have the rams head piked on the wood, looks like clay :) very nice indeed

quote:Originally posted by inglis

im using 3dsmax.
gi is only being used in that last environment. its just a basic setup using max5s new gi system.
that scene is just for my showreel that im working on at the moment, thats the purpose of that page- to show what im currently working on for the reel.

thanks for the feedback :)

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

i drew out a spline wrapping it around the pipes, then created a cylinder and put the pathdeform modifier on it. then just pick the path. then i just made a few variations.

still got to put a lot more detail into that scene( e.g. the walls, and i just started working on the doors, plus the water/steam but theyll be the last things). aim to have the model completed within the week then onto texturing.

thanks [:)]

Very good work.. Oh, Bouncy, I didn't make the icons.. They're emoticons from some app. [:)]

quote:I love mixing drinks that were just not meant to be mixed together I just made a hotchocolate with icemagic choc mint and bubblegum flavour squirted in..the COOLEST part is that now all these round bubbly gunk pieces are floating on top so it looks like something deadly that only icky evil people serve like me

Hahaha.. that's pretty a nasty mix there [:)]..

you can do global lighting in max4 by putting your scene/model inside a hemisphere with its normals flipped. and then tiered targetted spotlights in an arrary from the top to the bottom of the hemisphere.

- lachlan

Yeh, I've had a fake global illumination available on the site for a while now - http://www.sumea.com.au/fake_global_illum.zip .. it just doesn't do a clean/as nice result as your one. [:)].. might need some tweaking I guess.

Was that scene designed by yourself or off some one else's concept?

Yeah but It looked cool because when you blew the top surface all the little parts moved to reveal the real drink it was all green and bally on top [:D] I've always been disgusting [;)]

quote:Originally posted by Souri

Very good work.. Oh, Bouncy, I didn't make the icons.. They're emoticons from some app. [:)]

quote:I love mixing drinks that were just not meant to be mixed together I just made a hotchocolate with icemagic choc mint and bubblegum flavour squirted in..the COOLEST part is that now all these round bubbly gunk pieces are floating on top so it looks like something deadly that only icky evil people serve like me

Hahaha.. that's pretty a nasty mix there [:)]..

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

Hey Souri how do I change the forum avatar I can't stand my eye :) It's just freaking me out a bit too much [:0]

quote:Originally posted by Souri

Was that scene designed by yourself or off some one else's concept?

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

You have to email me a new picture and I will chuck it up [:)]..

this concept is my insipration:

[img]http://effectism.com/sample/environment_01.jpg[/img]

ive taken it down a different road though..turning it into a hydrodam overflow and all :)

Ah Feng Zhu.. excellant concept artist [:)].. and yeh, you definately have taken it much further [:)]

All artwork is inspired by someone else :) I only know this because I have to sit through gruesome art theory lectures that go in my ear and travel down to lungs so i can blow air at people. lol :).. I don't understand me either don't worry [;)]

quote:Originally posted by inglis

this concept is my insipration:

[img]http://effectism.com/sample/environment_01.jpg[/img]

ive taken it down a different road though..turning it into a hydrodam overflow and all :)

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

I sent you my new forum avatar! DON'T BE SCARED :)

quote:Originally posted by Souri

Ah Feng Zhu.. excellant concept artist [:)].. and yeh, you definately have taken it much further [:)]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

Bouncy. your avatar has been updated [:)].. you may need to refresh or empty your web browser's cache before you see it..

there's an avatar part in your forum profile. cant you just choose it there? (i just figured you had to get to so many posts before you could choose one because it says none in there)

AHHHHH No more 3d to regret [8)] Thanks Souri!!

quote:Originally posted by Souri

Bouncy. your avatar has been updated [:)].. you may need to refresh or empty your web browser's cache before you see it..

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

nope you email the wonderful Souri to upload a forum avatar :) *bows to Souri master* [:)]

quote:Originally posted by inglis

there's an avatar part in your forum profile. cant you just choose it there? (i just figured you had to get to so many posts before you could choose one because it says none in there)

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

Oh, I haven't made available a selection of avatars for the public to use.. the ones that people send me I keep for them only to use. [:)] And yeh, I agree with Bouncy with inspiration.. I love seeing people taking ideas further too, like what Inglis has done..

Is that your real eye, Kirsten ? [:)]

with lots of mascara and eyeliner on yes ..why? lol I figured the mascara might scare people so i blur all photos of me, maybe it's obsessive compulsive hahahahah meh and i'm frightfully pale so yeh. I hardly ever wear makeup though but I love putting on seeing what i can do with it lol[8]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

It's amazing what you can do with make up it's just like painting you can do anything and create any look if you know how to blend your colours right

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

If I begin texturing females faces, you can help me if I do any of that 'make up' stuff wrong, ok.. [;)]

lol sure thing! [:X][:D] i thought the profile pic was meant to be 100x100 *doh* ah well guess i'll have to leave it jpgy my online journal only allows 100x [:I]
can i make a fool of myself here? well I thought BG2 was awesome and I fell for the evil guy (as per) I got so into that storyline so much so that all i could think about was the irenicus character and how i was dirty on black isle for not letting a seedy forbidden love fest go on for at least one of scenes..oh yeah did i mention i woke up shouting his name........DOES NOT GET ANY MORE SAD THEN THAT BABY!! :) there I said it. [:X]

quote:Originally posted by Souri

If I begin texturing females faces, you can help me if I do any of that 'make up' stuff wrong, ok.. [;)]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

BG2? Sorry, what's that ?!!!!! [:D] [:D]

lol oh shoosh you [;)]
Once i'm in a storyline you can't get me out.

quote:Originally posted by Souri

BG2? Sorry, what's that ?!!!!! [:D] [:D]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

Don't ask about the dream...*shame!*

quote:Originally posted by Souri

BG2? Sorry, what's that ?!!!!! [:D] [:D]

//Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve. \(anon)

No, I'm serious! What's BG2???!!! [:)]

Ah UT2k3 uses 2 textures for their characters
1 head the other body.
As for textures i think for the ut2k3 engine its 1024 x 1024 for body (png format) and 512 x 512 for head also png format i believe.
As for scale easiest way to do it is to import a character mesh and put it next to yours then scale it to fit next to it [8D]
As for optimzing simple. Less poly's the better, unless you animating the mesh. Then you need a little more so that it looks good when animated.
Check out the http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=114 post for stuff about ut2k3 modelling and stuff. It has links and has more info than i could give you [:D]

It is infact ants who are the true rulers of this world!!!

Thanks Meatex, I checked that out before but some how I missed the most important one :) Although it helped me a bit, I'm not using MayaPLE and the unEditor plugin doesn't work for Maya retail :|

Guess I'll have to export my stuff to OBJ and import to 3DS instead...

no you wont. Theres an actorX plugin for maya as well. http://unreal.epicgames.com/skeletal/utskelanim.htm . ActorX is the tool to export skeletal animations. As for texturing, I know with max if you have multiple bitmaps assigned you need to use a multi-sub-object material(Which is a material that uses multiple maps) Maya should have somthing like that so try it. With your static meshes, dont be too worried about scale in maya since you can scale it in the editor. Also static meshes support smoothing groups, animated ones dont.

Lead paint: delicious but deadly!

Thanks Fluffy. I've figured out the texturing, so that isn't much of a problem anymore:)

As for ActorX - the only way I can get my meshes into Unreal is by exporting them as a brush instead of a mesh...

dont worry, found it [:)]
tis 'render to texture' in the render tab in max :)

Well, Word spells it Modeller, but I remember applying for a position where it was spelt with one 'L' and then another double L.

I'd really like to see this resolved. I'm a stickler for good spelling, especially when attacking a potential employer.

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

I've always thought of it as "modeller", but i really don't know.

http://www.jasondalton.com

I've always thought of it as "modeller", but i really don't know.

http://www.jasondalton.com

Well, as far as my knowledge of english goes (i've only been speaking it ~20 years or so :) ) Modeler would be pronounced "Mod-el-ear" Modeller would be pronounced "Mod-el-er" if that helps. sorry my phoenetics are horrible, but hopefully you get the idea :) In other words, 2 l's is correct.
CYer, Blitz

Its spelt with a double L, I looked in my dictionary

Lead paint: delicious but deadly!

thank you for resolving this, i thought i was the only one who didnt know the correct spelling [:I]

Okay, just to add to the confusion (yeah, you THOUGHT it was over @;-) I just picked up Paul Steed's Character Modeling in 3DS MAX book. Yep, it's spelt with one L. Not only throughout the book but in it's title.

Perhaps an American spelling?

As an after thought, I just hit Dictionary.com which just may have solved it all:

Modeler

Mod"el*er, n. One who models; hence, a worker in plastic art. [Written also modeller.]

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, ? 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Modeler

n : a person who creates models [syn: modeller]

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

Modeler is Australian/UK English.

Modeller is American English.

Unfortunately, most people don't realise that it is spelt 'modeling', not 'modelling', so that's how you'll see it most of time, hence most people believe this is the way it is spelt. Hell, there have been plenty of times I've been confused and have opted for double l, but Australian English most definitely uses only one l.

Interesting first post, anyway. :)

--Paul

hey meatex, weren't you at the AIE this last year ?

Meatex and myself were at the AIE during the first semester of this year doing to night course

100% chance of PAIN, in the GLAVEN

quote:Originally posted by StrkEagle

hey meatex, weren't you at the AIE this last year ?

yeah i was
do i know you?

That which makes us human will inevitably destroy us.

i was in the first AIE dip2 class

anyhows you should be able to knock out a pretty good walk animation without mocap by now :)

Peter Gillespie
www.3dluvr.com/eagor

quote:Originally posted by StrkEagle


anyhows you should be able to knock out a pretty good walk animation without mocap by now :)

Yeah i did
it was being shot from a very long distance away so i just did a basic one which looked fine from that distance but poor up close

That which makes us human will inevitably destroy us.

Try downloading the free motion capture pack from the good people at http://www.madcapstudios.com/ .. I'm not 100% sure if there was a walk cycle in there.. can't remember, but you might get lucky. Download it anyway, because it definately has a VERY useful stretch animation, which everyone should use to stress test their models...

First thing i did was look through old news posts on sumea to find that link, no walk cycle but the stretch bip helped.
That was a good find souri [8D]

That which makes us human will inevitably destroy us.

BioVision should have some on their site. 3DS Max (oh the horror) imports these files if you have Character Studio..

animating the booleans are dead easy... just click on the boolean sub-object and go animating
alternatively, you could use a morpher (its used for facial animation so why not other animation)
(combining boolean and anything be prepared for a crash or fifty)

Thanks StrkEagle, to tell you the truth, I never tried I just assumed that it was difficult. Stupid me.

Lead paint: delicious but deadly!

I get the feeling that shaders will eventually be handled by artists with more intuitive ways than scripting, and there are steps made that make it seem that it's heading that way.. eg. from http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20021112_7023

quote:"Now available, the new 3ds max CgFX Plug-in allows artists to author and visualize content in 3ds max 5 using advanced hardware rendering and the Cg high level language.

The 3ds max CgFX Plug-in brings a whole palette of shaders directly into the authoring software package. Accessible from the Viewport Manager located within the 3ds max Material Editor, DirectX users gain a custom, intuitive GUI featuring real-time effects with sliders and other artist-friendly interfaces."

hmmm lets see
I'm interested in high poly character modeling and especailly setting up character controls to operate everything from hands to eye lids etc.
Also an easy to follow tut on photoshop and how to make concept pics like tariq's or crystal's would be extremely usefull for me
Also do you know how to do "focus" in 3dsmax 4 (or 5 but i haven't really moved on to that yet) so that far away things are blurred but not objects close to camera... actually i think i have an idea. But still do tell.

Bloody hell its a giant harmonica!

If you know anything on normal mapping and a full explination on edge loops, that would be a good tut. Anything on rendering, lighting and shadow as well. Some people around here may also be interested in NURBS, I myself have never attempted to use them. :)

Lead paint: delicious but deadly!

quote:Originally posted by Meatex_Salami

Also do you know how to do "focus" in 3dsmax 4 (or 5 but i haven't really moved on to that yet) so that far away things are blurred but not objects close to camera... actually i think i have an idea. But still do tell.

I think you can just doing it using the "depth of field" trick. It's been a while since I used Max so I can't recall off the top of my head. Sorry.

In some ways Id like to see some briefs or challenges. There's a site called 'Pixelation' for 2d sprite artists on the net but they have this cool thing where every Wednesday week they have a new pixel challenge. This challenge tests a different area of skill each week. For example, one week it might be to make a 64X64 pixel sprite animation of someone running, or a simple tile set or maybe even a magical effect. Sometimes the challenges are limited to 4 16 or unlimited colours per sprite.

In Sumea terms, this might be good thing. A low poly challenge where users create a low polygon quake3 character one week (untextured) and the next week, it could be to design a concept sketch for a Samurai game. Challenges can be as broad or as specific as possible and originality is encouraged. For example, no 'big shoulder pads or massive boots on a 3d character that is so often seen.'

What rgreen and souri could do is be the judges and set the challenges for us. The objective isn't to find a winner, but to broaden our skill bases. Perhaps the more complicated nature and time constraints it could be every two weeks.

Thoughts?

If you want to do 64x64 pixel art brief, I can use the results for a hack 'n slash RPG game. [;)].. if you've ever seen Final Fantasy III (or 6) on the SNES, you'll know what kinda art I mean.. 2 or 3 frames, small size.. pretty simple stuff.. it's just a suggestion, btw.. I think some weekly/fortnightly brief/challenge on anything that encourages productivity and offers a bit of fun in the process is definately a cool idea.
Tutorials I'd like to see... "setting up character controls to operate everything from hands to eye lids etc" which Meatex mentioned definately sounds interesting!!! [:)]

I'll do Meatex's request about setting up a character as this would be a good starting point and is quite technical. However I would like to point out that at the moment I'm primarlly a maya artist and as such I'll use that as my platform. I'll try to make sure the general principles come accross so all you'll need to do is translate that information across to your software's way of doing things.

That might be a good idea to find out what software people are using? The concept stuff I'll look at maybe the technical/principle side as it really comes down to your artistic ability. Maybe we could get one of them to do a step by step process?

Rod.

quote:Originally posted by Fluffy CatFood

If you know anything on normal mapping and a full explination on edge loops, that would be a good tut.

The specifics of edge loops aren't really game related, I don't think any games engines support subdivision surfaces real-time yet, however after saying that I see that subdivisions surfaces can still be used to create the 'static' model that the engine renders (just with lower subdivisions then would be used to prerendered stuff). So this is really just a technique to model game assets. In the future, as the in-game engines poly pushing power increases, I'm sure this technique will become more common.

I see that normal mapping (lately seen in the doom3 render) might become an issue for 'mod'ding doom3 but the technique is mainly a programming (in-game engine) procedure (sourced from a quick render from a 3d package or 3rd party app), there is no real special artwork needed (apart from the standard modelling of the source mesh and it's lowres in-game version).

So what I'm trying to say is 'yes' these are valid techniques for game art creation but at the moment I would like to focus on something that's a little more fundamental - however not something that's been rehashed as polygon modelling and uv texturing.

Rod.

I use max3.1 and I have Maya PLE, so I'll find your tuts valuable even though I've barely touched maya, I've been eager to learn it.

Lead paint: delicious but deadly!

Actually from what i've read the Doom3 rendering engine requires that artists create the bumpmaps - or normalmaps - by using another program, notably ID use Lightwave to generate the textures, and from what I've read its quite an involving process. Still it *is* put together in the engine. I suppose we'll know for sure once the game comes out in all its hype and glory.

where can i get a good tutorial on 3d studio max 5.0???