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I'd be up for that. @:-)

I would most certainly be wanting one of those!!!

Any chance of a programmer one too?

Fuck yeah. That's funny as all hell. I will definitely be up for one.

What about motto's for programmers and all?

I mean that might fit with a programmer, but not really that easily.

"Will code for food" [;)]

That sounds reasonable I guess...

How much are the expected prices / will they be available at the or by the AGDC?

int main(){printf("Hello Sumea!
");return 0;}

or something like

hell:

while ( concious == true )
{
if ( sleepy == true )
{
ConsumeCaffeine();
sleepy = false;
}

Code();
}

if ( deadlineIsSoon )
{
Sleep( 2000 * 360 );
}
else
{
Sleep( 4000 * 360 );
}

goto hell;

CYer, Blitz

I don't think they'll be available before the AGDC (although that would have been great if it were). It'll have to wait until I have funds to do it, and I think the first printed batch won't have mottos specific to modellers/programmers, so everyone can wear it. [:)]

Why dont you make them and order them through www.zazzle.com

I had alook at Zazzle, and I'm not too sure you want to become involved with them. They have a Watersports section for the T-Shirts :D

They do have some very nice designs there. Do you know what the quality of their printing is like? The reason why I stopped buying a lot of T-Shirts is because the image tends to fade, split and just look like crap.

Just had a look around zazzle.com... They're US based, and there's a $4.99 (US) shipping charge overseas for each shirt (or $8.99 per shipment). It should be cheaper to produce shirts locally.

Souri: How about.... "I bone models." [:P]

"I spend hours skinning models..."

man.. there are a lot of bizarre art terms you could take out of context. :)

cheers

I used to play with models, but now I've lost my dongle.

Pantmonger

Ah Smg, I don't know how well people would take that one. I think it's funny because of that though :)

Reminds me of http://www.engrish-store.com/ihatmystshir.html :D

That one is gold Pants, Best thing is, only people who are 1)into modelling/animation. and/or 2)have used sw with a dongle, will actually get that. Great one.

*falls off chair laughing* Pants, that is GOLD! @:-D

One of the better quotes a friend of mine use to say

"I can make a program to take over your job"

quote:Originally posted by Jacana

One of the better quotes a friend of mine use to say

"I can make a program to take over your job"

Gahh. Skynet is comming!!!!

any news on the shirts?

That kinda like the thinkgeek one: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/374d/

lol no one would get it though

leet hacksaws would get it

They use to have CodeGirl shirts but don't anymore :( I wanted one of those shirts for AGDC, too!

i was going to wear a NINTENDO GAMECUBE t shirt i got for free when i went to a ninty event once, but then i realised that i was going to a PS2 and Xbox confrence that day sooooooooo... :P

Souri,

You may want to check out CafePress.com.

It'll allow you to create custom items, based on a blank item which you can position graphics on, then set up a store-front to sell them from. Hell, you can even sell boxers and ladies lingerie! Some of these guys could buy their girlfriends a g-string that had "Bone this, baby" (maybe that's a bit x-rated) on the front! But they have t-shirts, sweat-shirts, mugs, mousepads, all sorts of stuff you can put your graphics on.

The only thing is that they're in the US and shipping times are a little longer to Australia. But they're relatively cheap, and you can always set up a store, create a few 'test' items and see what they look like on-screen for free.

cheers

Matt

It'll have to wait till I have the funds for it.. Christmas and New Years is just around the corner, and I know I'm gonna be broke after all that! I'll weigh and see what works out cheaper, doing it at a place like CafePress.com or throw local printers/materials.. I tend to think that I can get out better shirts with the latter method..

Kind of an old thread but how about,

I work, look and play with models all day. And boy does it give my hand a workout! [:p]

I'm currently working on a design at the moment (I'm keeping it simple), so hopefully I'll have about 50 shirts printed in time for the Next Wave Independant Game Developers Conference in Melbourne this year..

quote:Originally posted by Souri

I'm currently working on a design at the moment (I'm keeping it simple), so hopefully I'll have about 50 shirts printed in time for the Next Wave Independant Game Developers Conference in Melbourne this year..

And the profits all go to supporting you and Sumea, right? [:p]
If i get a job this year i'll try my best to get one and i might buy someone else one [:)]

I don't think I'd be making much money from it - the aim is to make them affordable as possible, and I'd certainly would have to sell most of them to recuperate the costs of making them..

You wrap your link with the (img) tags, using square brackets.. like:

(img)http://www.whatever.com/pic.jpg(/img)

but with [] instead of the ()'s ... I just did a test and it looks like your free webhost provider (topcities.com) doesn't allow images to be linked at all from their servers.

Bah!!!!!! damned free webhosting!

thanks souri [:)]

It was down the few times I checked yesterday, someone said it was alright at about lunch yesterday. But again today, untill now (Duh) I could not access it.

Pantmonger

i have had the same difficulties. yesterday i wasn't able to view it until 3-4pm.

Yeh, there were script timeouts during last week, and then the site was offline for most of the weekend.. The server got reset a few times, which is why you got to see it up for a short while before it went offline again.. The server admin guy is looking into it, and it's kinda up now, although I've noticed that the mail server isn't working (so I can't send any emails out, and you can't send private mails from the forum etc)..

Email is working fine now, but you've probably noticed that the site seems to go offline, then it's good to go for a while, then it goes off again etc..

(yes, I'm sick of visiting the site and finding it down as well)

Heh, just went down, then came back up while I was looking at this thread..

Lets all go to the owner of the server, and kick him right in the nuts.

My webhost is [url="http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20279975,…"]currently getting sued[/url] by the [url="http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/22/0536235.shtml?tid=141&tid=188"]Australian Music Industry[/url]..

damn. that's unfortunate man. this whole mp3 business is starting to get out of hand.

Wow, looks like someones doing the groin kicking for us.

My previous post seems to be missing here..
Anyways, since Sumea's been on the new server, I haven't seen any downtime since, so it's looking fairly good.

all of the posts that i typed up yesterday have suddenly dispapeared, including one telling people of how they could purchase painter for a cool $25.

im too damn lazy to retype it though.

heh, my rant sized post in the games VS violence debate disappeared... groan.. No chance i'll retype that baby :(

Server admin guy must've reverted to an old database copy for some reason..

quote:Originally posted by smeg

heh, my rant sized post in the games VS violence debate disappeared... groan.. No chance i'll retype that baby :(

It will be sorely missed smeg. [:P]

u can upload it via member admin off the main sumea page.

And you have to tell me to activate it. - perferrably through [url="http://www.sumea.com.au/semailpost.asp"]here[/url] or an email..

Kool...thanks Souri

It's the Rugby Union game. Doh! Thanks for the correction.

I've had a look at what you uploaded, and I can see you've named your files incorrectly.. 212_lowpoly_creep_WIP_L.jpg 212_lowpoly_creep_WIP_S.jpg 212_lowpoly_creep_WIPL.jpg 212_lowpoly_creep_WIPS.jpg Large images should be named exactly as the thumbnails, but with an L.jpg at the end.. Something like this would do: 212_lowpoly_creep_WIP.jpg (thumbnail) 212_lowpoly_creep_WIPL.jpg (large image)

Can they be deleted by me somehow? The ones that are on there?

At the moment, no.. If you upload a pic and you've made it the wrong filesize (too big) or wrong dimensions, go to the edit news section, and reupload a fixed file with the same filename. It'll write over the old one.

what if you delete the entry? does that delete the images?

Nope..

the game you are thinking of is scorched earth

From the [url="http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=260"]Sumea FAQ page[/url]..

**note, if you have a new member account, you should upload some of your work in your journal. This way, your name gets listed on the section pages, rather than the "the rest of the memberlist" page. The "rest of the memberlist" page is for the slackers who don't upload any work. (Coders have to write at least one journal entry to push out of the slacker page [:)]

Sounds fair enough to me, does that mean all that have registered need to update there profile details or are we safe from your culling. [:P]

Btw what if my name is Joe Bob lol.

Current members should be fine.. and if you're name is Joe Bob, oooooh.. you're just asking for a big red cull button clicking there.. [:)]

i vote we have a hazing for all new members once a month while we are on the topic....lol

that all sounds fair souri. your the boss :)

Just a thought.
If Sumea is getting a bit more traffic now, maybe it would benefit from a couple of moderators instead of just you Souri? That way you can still keep tabs on posts and inforce some type of common understanding of whats allowed and you don't have to do it all.

I know moderation means half ...er most of my posts would be culled though. [:P]

As for hazing...bring on the Stone of Shame.

The other thing I was wondering about.... What about getting rid of some of the inactive accounts. I am sure an account that hasnt been used in 3 months or 6 months could be removed?

I realise this doesnt have anything much to do with new accounts - just old ones ;)

As for new ones I think its fair. The part of free emails I totally agree with. Free emails can just be ignored or created at a whim.

I think Malus has a good idea about adding a couple of mods. It's something I had been wondering about myself.

If you do need help let me know, Souri. I promise I won't stalk you anymore.

I don't think you'll find much moderation needed, apart from moving a topic once every while. Most of the work I spend on the site is adding news and content..

Agreed, i personally don't recall anything that really needed moderating in the time i've been visiting here, othere than as souri mentioned, the occasional misplaced post. (Although Sh-nuff has come close to getting muted a few times :) )
On the subject of free email accounts, they can be useful if you change ISP's often, so you don't have to continually keep changing your details on every single website you've got an account on! However, it makes sense to not allow automatic signups for free emails, i think it should be possible perhaps if they get in contact with you first etc.
CYer, Blitz

yeah, I use hotmail 8)

I yahoo!
CYer, Blitz

HMMM I've got to pull my finger out of my rear and post some more on my profile, I actually have stuff to show for once, I'm just a liitle embarrassed to show people my work.

Actually how do you change your profile? I'm still listed as a modeller for some reason...haven't fired up Max in well over a year :)

(Now I'm designer / producer)

hmmmm i understand the argument against free emails but for someone like me who lives in a house with his family who is not a actual game designer but rather a hopefull (which sumea also seems to cater for :D ) and does not have acces to his homes IP account, free emails like hotmail are nescacary.

I don't think your nazi enough souri! [:P]

If someone wants to be apart of a community to encourage growth and offer feedback, ideas and oppinions - they should be able to take the time to fill out profiles. Anyone who doesnt,

This thread is so old...

holy hell yes lol, someone brought it back and i thought the posts were recent [:D]

Its all gazuntas fault!

Maybe you could cull accounts that haven't logged on for a while if they have a post count of lower than 50 or 100. Or somehting like that, I know some times I dont actually log on for a while (maybe not like 3 months) but I'd be a bit disappointed if I came back and my account was gone. I mean if someone has posted like 5 times and hasn't logged on in 3-4 months, you cpould be pretty sure they're not to involved.
I also think that the higher standards at the start would be good too. (let me just check which of my emails I used!! [:O])

maybe u could also send out n email to those that r eligible for a cut ... if they dont reply stating that they want to keep their account then cull em

I wouldn't worry about it, i'm a newb to game dev as well, but i've been doing art for a while.

Thanks Happy Camper, it's reassuring to know that there are other newbs here.

I'm into the programming side of things, but I'm still very new to maiing games.

Hi Kane,

Welcome to Sumea. I wouldn't let being new to game dev bother you, some great work has been done by people who never get into the industry.

Its not necessarily an indication of your ability if you work in game development or just do it for a laugh, having a job just means you've been lucky enough to have your best work seen by the right people, theres lots of great talent who don't get employed.

Anyway think of all the people who can help you get better. [:)]

I think you'll find that there's hardly anyone with an elitist attitude on this site, and I think the people on here are very helpful overall. And besides, the site was made with the purpose of helping out newcomers. So welcome to the site.. just wipe your feet at the door [B)]

WElcome Kane.
Being fairly new to Sumea aswell, I can tell you the folks 'round these parts are a friendly bunch, so dont be afriad to post your work :)

There's plenty of people on this site who have only seen brief games making action - I've never been involved in the industry directly (I'm unfortunately a bit of an arm-chair expert sometimes). Just try to learn and pay attention to some of the people with the experience that you (and I) don't have yet.

There's alot of debate that goes on these forums, and although sometimes 'game dev newbs' are 'wrong', the industry-experts may be 'wrong' as well :)

Don't forget to bring along your own ideas/perspectives/work!

Welcome,
I think you'll find that the majority (at least in the case of programmers) of people who regularly visit these forums are not currently employed by the industry. And then even a large percentage of these have never been employed by the industry yet. Also, game dev is an industry where you never stop learning, unless you want to be left behind. New things are always happening. New hardware, new techniques, new tools!
Good luck with your adventures into game dev'ing!
CYer, Blitz

Hmmm... I'm riding on Kane's little wave. I'm a n00b, and just recently joined Sumea. The site is brilliant, certainly creates a great community. Props to webmaster(Souri i believe?). Clay sculpturing is my main hobby, tho I'm gettin' into artwork as well. Anyway, hope ppl don't find this too spammish.

the n00b wave! mother of god lol

in my time here i dont believe i have seen a newbie culling. but you never know- it just takes one to step out of line...
jk[B)]

welcome-. be nice and bring whatever you have to the table- and all that and im sure everyone will continue to get along [8D]

welcome- I think there is always stuff to find out in game dev and I think everyone has there little bit to bring to the table. Even for the people which work in the industry now, still don't know it all. I myself considerer myself as some what of a newie to game dev, even at I have been doing it for 2 and a half years now.

Yeah, I'm a n00b too (to Sumea and game development). Saw a promo for Sumea on the channel 7 TV show, Control Freaks, and thought I'd check the place out :) Don't have any work to show as of yet, but this will change in due time. Check out my Blog at http://gdb.blogspot.com if you're interested in how things progress for me.

I think I'll make myself comfortable here.

Hey, I've been into game dev for about 9 mnths now, previously I did a lot of web stuff, I post my stuff here, in the coders section, enjoy reading everyone elses, and have never gotten flames, although nothing good either hmm...

have fun.

I'm a n00b myself. I have developed a few mods with some mates, but nothing else really formal apart from that. I'm working as a systems analyst at the moment, so it's a far cry from game dev, but it's all experience. Also reading some game related texts to enhance my knowledge. Kudos to Souri for setting up a great community that we can all grow from!

Anyway, rant aside, welcome!

I stumbled across this site about a month ago, great place from what I've seen, exactly what is needed for upcoming Australian talent to communicate, share experiences and hopefully get the attention of potential employers.

It's also great to see people like David Giles and Zaph posting here... hopefully they'll continue to do so and share some of their vast knowledge with members on a regular basis.

your not alone mate. i'm a 17 year old vitorian who want's to become a game animator and create sci-fi and fantasy games.

however with my 400mhertz IBM shitbox that's not going to be any time soon.

so for the moment i draw and wait to see if that 20,000 dollor grant from nescafe works out.

cheers mate.
( carooaussie@hotmail.com if anyone wants to talk.)

Hey I'm pretty new to all this as well, been doing 3d for a while but this is the closest thing I've done to a game http://www.stuart.226-lab.com It's done in director and I did all of the programming and a bit of the artwork.

Glad to know there's a few more noobs here than I thought

Stu

I only got into 3D art at the beginning of this year. Im currently studying at the AIE in Canberra (its great :D) so I'm pretty new to the whole scene. Being at the AIE helps though because I'm in amongst it all.

Yeah that's about it, I'll post some of my work when I actually get it finished :)
Craig the White Ninja :D:D
PS: Joel is smelly :P

welcome :)

you can post progress work.
my time here i havent posted any completed stuff (im working at changing that....). no one seems to care lol :)

Cool :) Thanks Souri
Ignore that email from me... ;) I got it going!

Comp 1 image: http://home.iprimus.com.au/evilbunny/jagged/3d/3d07beast_t.jpg

Comp 2 image: http://home.iprimus.com.au/evilbunny/jagged/3d/3d10ranger_t.jpg

Sorry, my urls change from time to time due to my tight limits on web space.

Pantmonger

I'll see if there is a mod that adds this kind of functionality to the forum, but at the moment, it doesn't allow any of those thing you've mentioned..

yeah me too, was getting script time outs when i tried to access the site a little while before. though it seems to be working fine now

me 3

Lots of them over the past week.

Will you still be "running the show" over there? Will the journals etc continue?

One of the things that I have noticed is in the past month or so a lot of industry types have been coming over here and posting job listings. To me that says that Sumea is being taken as a "serious" site for the industry.

I would hate to see that reputation lost - as its finally getting some solid ground.

If Sumea can continue as being part of another website, I say go for it. I would hate to see this place disappear enirely, its a great source of information about the oz games industry.

What other website would it be part of if it were to be?

If you don't mind answering in a public forum, how much is it goign to cost to keep sumea running for another year?
Have you thought about setting up a donations page or something and asking sumea members to throw a few $$ your way?
CYer, Blitz

Yeah, I'd be happy to send a couple of bucks your way Souri :)

quote:Originally posted by Jacana

Will you still be "running the show" over there? Will the journals etc continue?

I don't know how it'll work out - I haven't been able to check my email for the last few days since my webhosts mail server is down, but they (and all of the game news websites that have contacted me) run on PHP/MySQL with their own content management system which probably doesn't cater for journals, and the way Sumea does things (like link news to their developers, and games to their developers). So I'm kinda guessing it'll be their current website with local industry news reports, and sections in their forum for local industry chat, starting from scratch.. Cost to run Sumea for another year would be under $1,000.. Not really comfortable in receiving donations from regulars.. If it all comes down to the worst case scenario, I can just register the domain name, and bring the site back in a few months when I can..

I would hate to see the death of Sumea as it is. I know there are a few people that may be able to serve it, but you may have to port everything to php/mysql (it'd be for the best anyway ;). I am willing to help out where I can (porting, money, etc).

If you need somewhere to store stuff temporarily, I have 70GB free on my drive, and cable.

Don't give up Souri! People are just starting to realise that Sumea is in trouble.

Yeah, this place has become something really awesome, and is getting better by the day. SOMEONE SAVE OUR SUMEA!!!

oh... shit

ok, lets think about this objectively.
We could move sumea, possibly to somewhere like gamedev.net... which wouldn't be too bad if the domain name could be kept.

We could all shell out money to keep the thing running, but I don't know how feesable this is...I for one am very poor, though i could put aside about $10/20 a month (thats nearly 1/4 of my operating budget for the month).

Or we could go for outside help, many people here are members of the igda... I'm not sure what else they do, but they might be willing to lend a hand to save one (and the only?) australian gamedev community hub. We could also appeal for the help of people running international communities and the members of these (gamedev, flipcode etc) and ask for their assistance... there are many generous people out there.

No matter the casualties, Sumea must live on!
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- edit
another thing, some studios and development houses (mainly auran) have been promoting game development in australia... they might help or be interested in sponsorship if we contacted them directly.

At first, I was open to the idea of Sumea being part of another website.. but having had a think about it, I am not going to go with that anymore. Mainly because I've put over a year and a half of my time on this website - building and designing all the pages, providing lots of news and other content. I can't really justify throwing it all away. So those people who emailed me (I can access my email now, but all your messages have been lost! Same with anyone who's sent me an email since Wednesday), thanks for the interest, but I'm going to try and keep the site as it is..
Porting the whole site to PHP/MySQL would be a *lot* of work. And to be honest, it's probably a better idea to just redo everything from scratch. But, really, it's taken a year of refinements and changes to get to where the website is at the moment where I don't have to worry about things not working anymore. I don't want to tackle porting the whole website now! [:)]
I think I will go with the plan I had before.. I'll register the domain name, and when I have the funds, I'll put the site back up again. Might take a few months, or even more (depends if I can find a web designer job ;))
Having said that, I'm approaching two places for sponsorship at the moment. One of them doesn't look promising, and I don't know about the other, but I am crossing my fingers.

Good to hear you won't give up!

How about porting the forum data to a php forum, then the rest of the site can be ported as time permits?

Sumea is starting to get quite popular now, I think forum down-time for such an extended period of time could have a bad effect :/

Long live Sumea!!!